Scouting and “Unimpressive” Brewers Pitching | Disciples of Uecker

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If you’ve read Disciples of Uecker or subscribed to the podcast over the past year, it’s no secret I have lauded the Brewers’ young core of pitching prospects. Right-hander Mike Fiers grabbed the attention once he found significant success to begin his big league career, but plenty more talent continues to climb the minor-league ladder. Guys like Wily Peralta, Johnny Hellweg, Tyler Thornburg, Mark Rogers, Jimmy Nelson, Hiram Burgos, Taylor Jungmann, and Nick Bucci give the Brewers a level of pitching depth they haven’t possessed in years.

On Twitter yesterday, however, Ben Badler of Baseball America criticized the Brewers’ group of young pitchers.

Some Brewers fans immediately reacted negatively to Badler’s terse analysis. He’s correct, though. The stable of pitchers the Brewers’ organization is developing in the upper levels of the minors isn’t impressive in a scouting sense. We are talking about a slew of potential number-four starters and a couple that could eventually become a two or three in the unlikely event that absolutely everything works out perfectly.

Badler is speaking from an impact perspective. For example, the Brewers’ group of young pitchers does not rival what the Pirates have in Gerrit Cole and Jameson Taillon, and it cannot touch what the Blue Jays boast in Aaron Sanchez and Noah Syndergaard. When Ben Badler says the Brewers’ minor-league pitchers are not impressive, he is referencing the lack of elite talent.

That shouldn’t take away from the pitching depth the Brewers have accumulated in their farm system. Such depth should allow the Brewers to avoid bad free-agent contracts, much like we’re seeing this offseason. That is incredibly valuable to a small-market organization. From a national scouting perspective, though, there is no reason to get excited over a bunch of potential back-end starters, even if you can dream on one or two of them.


In a continuing effort to drastically overhaul their pitching staff, the Minnesota Twins signed right-hander Kevin Correia to a two-year, $10M deal. He posted a 4.21 ERA and 4.43 FIP over 171 innings last season with the Pittsburgh Pirates.

The stereotype surrounding the Twins’ pitching philosophy is a strong preference for pitch-to-contact, ground-ball pitchers who limit walks. In that sense, Kevin Correia is the Twinsiest pitcher the organization could have signed this winter. He only managed a 4.68 K/9 strikeout rate last year, and his 5.7% swinging strike rate ranked second worst in all of baseball amongst qualified starters. Only Toronto’s Henderson Alvarez missed a fewer percentage of bats.

On the bright side, Correia has generated more ground balls over the past few years. He saw his ground ball rate spike to 51.2% with the Pirates last year, and as long as the Twins do not trot out Brian Dozier at starting shortstop once again, he should benefit from a decent defensive infield. Ultimately, though, his overall effectiveness is limited because he does not miss enough bats. That’s illustrated by the fact that he has not posted an above-average ERA since his 2007 season with the San Francisco Giants.

While I understand the Twins’ starting rotation desperately needed help after an AL-worst 5.40 ERA last year, signing a below-average sinkerball pitcher — who is on the wrong side of 30 — to a two-year deal makes little sense for the organization. That is, unless the Twins are looking for nothing more than a veteran arm who can soak up innings at the back-end of the rotation for the next couple seasons while they groom their young pitchers: Kyle Gibson, Trevor May, and Alex Meyer. Then Correia makes a certain amount of sense. It’s just too bad the organization chose to commit $5 million over the next two years to acquire that skill set when it becomes more readily available later in the winter.

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  1. Ross B says: December 12, 2012

    I think this shows the pitfall of using Twitter for communication. It is easy to see why some people would have a negative reaction to the answer, especially those not well versed in the prospect evaluation part of baseball, and due to the space limitations of the medium, he had no way to clarify what he meant. While I do enjoy Twitter and think you and the rest of the staff at DoU use it to communicate with readers greatly, this limitation will always be there.

  2. Matt says: December 12, 2012

    How do you project WIly Peralta as No. 4. He throws in the upper 90′s with a couple of secondary pitches that have nasty movement. I don’t know what constitutes plus, or plus, plus, but he fastball has to be plus plus and and his breaking pitches look like plus to me. That is the make up of a 1 or 2.

  3. Daren says: December 12, 2012

    Matt are you a baseball scout? A former College Baseball star? Or minor leaguer?

    If not, I’m rating Badler’s opinion of the Brewer’s pitchers as about 500 times more valuable than yours.

    • Bry Jones says: December 13, 2012

      Then why are you reading this website? If you don’t want an honest opinion, leave.

      Also, he simply explained the reasoning behind Badler’s statement; he didn’t refute it.

  4. JSVastness says: December 13, 2012

    Peralta can be #2 starter. Last year BA said that he could be #2 or #3

    • J.P. Breen says: December 13, 2012

      Agreed. That’s why he has been our top prospect in the system and why the article says the Brewers have a couple starter who could become a #2 or #3 if everything breaks right. Wily Peralta is far from a sure thing, though.

  5. JC says: December 13, 2012

    What I like about our pitching talent in the minors is that we have several guys that are projected to be big league starters, even if they are back-end of the rotation starters. This gives the Brewers some added flexibility in the trade market. Once we figure our own rotation, we can move pieces to add to our depth at other positions. Ramirez is our answer right now at 3rd, but do the Brewers keep him after two more seasons and will he warrant being kept? We need a guy who can play 3rd for the long haul. As much as I like Weeks the human being, he’s been hampered by injuries and severe offensive droughts in addition to having games where his defense is just off. If he gets injured again or has another extremely rough offensive start to a season, we need to make sure that there is a guy that can come in and – not only compete, but – steal the position away from Weeks. The outfield is set. Catcher is set. The infield is near set. Dealing some young arms that we can’t get to the majors because of a crowded pitching field could really help the Crew out. We have to set that rotation and get to the half-way point of the season though to see how everyone is doing. Man. I’m just excited about this upcoming season and the possibilities. Go Brewers.


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