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Five years ago, I received an opportunity to start blogging about baseball at SportsBubbler, a daily Wisconsin-sports round-up, which lead to our work at Bernie’s Crew, and now Disciples of Uecker. A lot has changed about my views on baseball, and hopefully my writing style is better, since those earliest fan blogging year. Yet, one practice I’ve kept over the years is ranking the National League starting pitchers with 100+ innings. Over the years, I’ve changed some areas of that practice; I used to rely on Baseball Prospectus for the “runs prevented” stat; now I calculate my own; in the last two years, I’ve also added replacement pitching analysis, to account for the scores of pitchers that don’t count as regulars.

Brewers’ Offseason: Starting Pitchers Wanted!
I gather that if one were to poll Brewers fans, more than 80% of Brewers fans would say that the ballclub’s 2012-2013 offseason need is starting pitching; at least another 50% of Brewers fans would probably say, “this club needs two starting pitchers.” I’m not immune to this, either, as I’ve analyzed the expected IP output from the Brewers’ youngsters. Adam McCalvy captured a great quote by Doug Melvin, who also plays into the starting pitching speculation by speaking of a young starting rotation like the 2012 Oakland Athletics: ” “Do all of us have the nerve to do that? Do we have the patience to do that?” Yet, Melvin spoke loudest when he nearly filled the Brewers’ 40-man roster to protect several youngsters from the Rule V draft; with a 40-man roster filled with 39 players, the Brewers appear to be an unlikely club to fix their rotation with several free agents.

As the offseason progressed, and I implied that the Brewers might need more than one starting pitcher due to the potential innings limits of their youngsters, a new question grew in my mind: What is a dependable starting pitcher? You see, this seems to be the logical assumption or requirement in fans’ and GMs’ minds when they move away from young rotations, in favor of rotations filled with veteran hurlers. Presumably, the argument against starting the season with Fastballer Mike Fiers, pocket ace Marco Estrada, top prospect Wily Peralta, and/or resurrected Mark Rogers in the rotation is that these starters have little-to-no track record as regular MLB starters. The assumption appears to be that in an MLB rotation, a team needs someone dependable to anchor their rotation, as well as to pitch throughout the rotation.

2008-2012 NL SP 100+ IP rankings

Who is a dependable starting pitcher?
On the surface, this appears to be a logical assumption. So, I hit the data with those assumptions: digging through five years of National League starting pitching rankings, I asked, WHO is a dependable starter?. First and foremost, (1) I looked for pitchers that worked 100+ IP for every season from 2008-to-present; then, (2) I moved to pitchers with 100+ IP workloads from 2009-to-present; finally, (3) I looked at pitchers with 100+ IP performances in the NL from 2010-to-present; after these three classes, (4) I took a look at pitchers who returned to the 100+ IP rankings in 2012 after injuries in 2010 and/or 2011, and (5) I looked at starters who appeared in the 2012 NL 100+ IP rankings for the first time.

Total: 360 Individual spots ranked w/ 100+ IP from 2008-2012
(1) 15 (!!!) starters pitched consecutive 100+ IP from 2008-2012 (20.8% of total ranked spots)
(2) 4 starters added consecutive 100+ IP seasons from 2009-2012 (5.6% of total ranked spots)
(3) 11 starters added consecutive 100+ IP seasons from 2010-2012 (15.3% of total ranked spots)
(4) 17 starters appeared in 2012 100+ IP rankings for the first time (4.7% of total ranked spots)
(5) 5 starters returned to 100+ IP rankings after injuries in 2010 and/or 2011 (these starters own 15 total rankings from 2008-2012, or 4.2% of total ranked spots)

Now, obviously these rankings underrate pitchers such as Mark Buehrle, Cliff Lee, and Zack Greinke, who happen to be dependable pitchers that worked in the AL and NL from 2008-2012 (just to name a few). And of course, pitchers such as CC Sabathia, Felix Hernandez, and Justin Verlander (again, just to name a few) are not accounted for by looking at dependable pitchers in the NL. However, even looking at AL pitchers on their own, only 48 AL starters worked 500+ IP in the AL from 2008-2012, which hardly means that each and every one of those starters would be classified as “dependable.”

I believe that by looking at pitchers that consistently work 100+ IP, year-in, year-out, we can find a better meaning of a classification such as, “dependable starter.” Clayton Richard is one of my favorite counter-examples; Richard worked 218.7 IP in 2012, returning from an injury-shortened 2011 campaign. After breaking into the majors with the Chicago White Sox in 2008, he worked 150+ innings in 2009, and cracked the 200 IP mark in 2010. Richard boasts two seasons in which he was average at best, working his best campaign in 2010, when he was part of the trade that brought Jake Peavy to the windy city. Overall, Richard worked more than 700 innings from 2008-2012; is he the type of pitcher that we have in mind when we say the Brewers need an arm they can depend on?

Dependable Quality
When we return to the National League rankings, we might argue that some requirement of quality be added to the “dependable starter” moniker. Surely, if we want the Brewers to pick up a dependable starter, we want that dependability to result in a performance that is worth the cost of acquisition — or, certainly, a performance that is better (or more readily expected to be better) than a group of prospects and upstarts (such as Fiers, Rogers, Peralta, and Estrada).

When we group the 15 starters that worked 100+ IP in each of the last five seasons in the National League, and average their rankings, here is the division between pitchers:

Matt Cain #10.6 (18-4-8-12-11)
Clayton Kershaw #11.2 (34-8-9-3-2)
Cole Hamels #11.6 (6-34-7-5-6)

Tim Lincecum #19.2 (1-2-13-7-73)
Johnny Cueto #23.8 (52-42-18-6-1)
Ryan Dempster #28.6 (4-25-47-58-9)
Wandy Rodriguez #30.2 (30-11-41-22-47)
Chad Billingsley #31.6 (8-35-25-56-34)

Bronson Arroyo #36.0 (54-20-23-70-13)
Carlos Zambrano #38.0 (23-22-26-53-66)
Paul Maholm #38.0 (16-46-74-28-26)
Randy Wolf #42.2 (53-13-48-27-70)
Aaron Harang #46.2 (48-37-66-36-44)

Ricky Nolasco #48.8 (14-56-49-65-60)
Kevin Correia #60.6 (71-33-71-63-65)

I gather that these types of pitchers give us clear measurements for “rotation spot” types; Matt Cain, Clayton Kershaw, and Cole Hamels are undoubtedly among the top candidates for MLB aces over the last five years. Meanwhile, pitchers such as Chad Billinglsey and Tim Lincecum are pitchers that are typically average or better (although Lincecum’s fate is undoubtedly skewed by his 2012 performance); we might call this group #2 starters; of course, there are also the group of “dependable” starters that are typically around average at best, or pitchers that are as likely to put together a replacement-level performance as a slightly-above average performance. These last seven pitchers are clearly examples of “dependable” starters that Brewers fans would not want in the Milwaukee rotation (despite their ability to work regularly).

Among 4-consecutive and 3-consecutive season starters, we have another 15 pitchers that are on their way to becoming regular, dependable workers on the Senior Circuit:

4-year regulars:
Yovani Gallardo #24.0 (17-39-26-14)
Tommy Hanson #32.0 (15-19-31-63)
Homer Bailey #38.3 (43-46-46-18)
Chris Volstead #61.8 (58-54-64-71)

3-consecutive seasons:
R.A. Dickey #10.7 (11-18-3)
Roy Halladay #15.7 (1-1-45)

Mat Latos #18.3 (10-35-10)
Ian Kennedy #18.3 (22-4-29)
Madison Bumgarner #25.0 (15-25-35)
Anibal Sanchez #31.3 (28-23-43)

Jaime Garcia #38.3 (16-57-42)
Mike Leake #45.0 (55-29-51)
Travis Wood #46.0 (33-49-56)
Jonathon Niese #46.3 (61-61-17)

Bud Norris #60.7 (70-51-61)

In this group, we have some new aces on the rise, as well as some new entries for solid #2 or #3 starters. Yet again, though, we find some average-at-best, or even below average starters, that receive regular work.

“Dependability” among MLB pitchers appears to be connected simply to the ability to pitch regularly, rather than some necessary component for quality innings. While there are certainly regular aces, those pitchers are the exception (probably as much an exception as the truly regular replacement pitcher).

Dependable Fluctuation
What’s more interesting is the extent to which these regular pitchers have fluctuating performances. For instance, when considering those 5-year starters, those eight “#1″ and “#2″ starters average a ranking between #20 and #21 over those five seasons (not bad!); however, their standard deviation (among 40 separate seasons) is nearly 19 spots. There are plenty of reasons for this; Lincecum’s 2012 campaign, sure; but, how about fluctuations or improvements (in some combination) by Hamels and Kershaw? Or, Johnny Cueto? Look at Billingsley, perhaps the poster boy for fluctuating seasons: a strong #8 ranking in 2008, followed by #35 and #25 seasons, a #56 season, followed by this year’s injury shortened, #34 campaign. Surely, Billingsley has the stuff and overall performance well-suited for a #2/#3 starter; and his performances have been everywhere from fringe-ace to fringe-replacement over the last give years.

The same can be said for those seven lower-rotation starters that worked 100+ innings from 2008-to-2012. While averaging a #44 ranking, or a solid/low #3 spot ranking, these 35 individual seasons featured a standard deviation of nearly 20 spots; surely Bronson Arroyo and Randy Wolf are the best examples in this class of pitcher. They each boast #13 and #70 seasons within the last five years, and otherwise, they have rankings that span from #20, #23, and #27, to #48, #53, and #54. These two starters are surely dependable; and, on any given season, they might come close to a #1/#2 type season, a #3/#4 season, or a replacement season. Literally, flip a coin.

Among the 3-year and 4-year pitchers, the fluctuation is slightly less extreme. Both the top- and bottom-rotation classes in this group of 15 starters boast standard deviations between 14 and 16 spots. The Brewers’ own Yovani Gallardo is a good example here, jumping between near-#1 to solid #3 performances between 2009 and 2010, only to return to solid #1/#2 range performances. Mat Latos split two Top 10 seasons with a solid #3 campaign in 2011, and Tommy Hanson and Jaime Garcia are pitchers that followed two strong #1/#2-type seasons with #3/#4 campaigns.

Clearly, a lot of these pitchers are better than some of their individual season rankings. This is as true for pitchers like Zack Greinke (after his 2011 campaign) as it is for Arroyo or Garcia after their 2011 campaigns. But, what also seems clear is that even though dependable starters might have some types of ceilings that are valuable to their respective clubs, their true value is their ability to pitch steady innings. I gather this is true because pitchers such as Arroyo, or Bud Norris, or Chris Volstad keep hanging around the league. Clearly, the replacement-value theory of pitching is not applied to actual club transactions in a lot of cases; GMs simply need warm bodies to fill their rotation spots sometimes, and, that means that someone like Volstad or Arroyo or Billingsley or numerous other pitchers will stick around even when they have below-average seasons.

Perhaps we should take Doug Melvin’s 39-man roster as a sign of faith in his gang of young starters. Furthermore, perhaps we should question whether the Brewers really need to spend money on multiple veteran, dependable arms to fill their rotation spots. After all, if even the most dependable of dependable NL starters fluctuate between one-or-two (or even three) rotation spots during any given year, we can surely stomach the same from our very own gang of upstarts and prospects.

If Fastballer Fiers drops an entire rotation spot, he’ll be a strong #3/#4 candidate; the same goes for Marco Estrada; Wily Peralta need only work something like a 150 IP / 75 R campaign to earn a solid #3 ranking; the same goes for Mark Rogers, who is probably the most likely of these pitchers to serve as a swingman between the rotation and bullpen (in that case, he’ll be golden with a 110 IP / 60 R affair). Obviously, we would like to think that each and every one of these pitchers will be better; heck, Fiers and Estrada limit the damage in ways that suggest that they can reasonably sneak into the solid-#2 starting class for a second consecutive year. If Peralta can continue to limit his control issues, as he exhibited during his late-2012 improvement, he can surely outpitch a 150 IP / 75 R campaign.

Moreover, even the candidates to land $90-to-$120 million contracts boast massive fluctuations between seasons. If you want Zack Greinke’s 2009 and 2012, that’s great, but you have to get through 2010 and 2011 to get there; Anibal Sanchez worked solid seasons in 2010 and 2011, but his 2012 was in that mid-rotation range that we’re looking to Peralta to work. Now, don’t get me wrong, I’d be thrilled if the Brewers signed either of these starters, since they don’t cost draft picks, and they’re a great opportunity for the Brewers to land good pitchers with good upside. Once we get into the grind of the season, however, we have to think about those fluctuations; if the Greinke, Billingsley, Lincecum, and Arroyo-types each have their brand of fluctuations, surely we cannot argue against a young rotation solely on the basis of their inexperience or potential regressions in 2013.

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  1. SecondHandStore says: November 27, 2012

    Another good article. I too think it’s interested that the 40-man roster sits at 39. I assume it’s so that Melvin has the flexibility to sign a starting pitcher before the Rule 5 Draft on Dec. 6th at the end of the Winter Meetings. Next week will be interesting. I wonder if there will be any sort of trade(s) because I’m not totally convinced Melvin and Mark A. are going to play with the bench depth they have, or the bullpen for that matter, which means they’d need a spot or two from the 40-man. I also wouldn’t be surprised to see one or two guys be ‘sneaked’ through waivers shortly after the Rule 5, maybe Arcenio Leon or Josh Stinson. Furthermore, after the Rule 5, I’d like to see Melvin sign a couple guys to minor league deals to provide more bullpen depth, without requiring real estate on the 40-man. Chiefly Joey Devine, but George Sherrill also comes to mind and Hong-Chih Kuo if he hasn’t retired.

    • Nicholas Zettel says: November 27, 2012

      Right on! Thank you for the kind words. I don’t have much to add, other than that I agree with your suspicions. I also wonder about the bullpen; part of me is willing to bet that if they sign a free agent starter, Rogers and Thornburg may work in the bullpen. Melvin has a gang of young arms, there’s no reason to create a logjam in the rotation if some of them can be effective relievers. Lord knows chances to start will occur during the season.

      • SecondHandStore says: November 27, 2012

        Agreed, though I would like to see Thornburg in AAA since he hasn’t pitched much there. I also still believe he can be a starter in the bigs, so that makes my assessment different than one that believes he should go straight to the pen. If that is to be the case, then I believe he can start 2013 in the pen. I really like Rogers in the swing-man position, especially if he can be converted to full time starting the way Estrada has. I think Rogers still needs to prove he can pitch in MLB and stay healthy before he gets a starting position. Swing-man is the way to do it. Brewers are a bit flush with these sort of pitchers and it’s a nice place to be. Estrada, Rogers, Thornburg, Narveson, and maybe Fiers can all be swing-men/long reliever/super relievers, or whatever they’re being called these days. This bullpen may have an incredibly interesting dynamic.

      • Nicholas Zettel says: November 27, 2012

        Thornburg could be a good option to work in AAA. I don’t think that working him in the bullpen should preclude him working as a starter, especially with his eventual IP issues that will occur in 2013. There could be some way to give him some time in the bullpen, perhaps throw in some starts, and maybe allow him to work in AAA, too.

        I agree about the interesting dynamic of the ‘pen. I don’t believe any young arm should be spared, unless they are an obvious filler for a rotation spot at a particular moment.

  2. icbeast says: November 27, 2012

    I’d would be nice if the Brewers could get one free agent pitcher of a #1/2 type ceiling with a #3 floor. The arbitration salaries aren’t in yet but it seems like they do have payroll to work with. But I would probably be more worried about spending too much on two pitchers than not signing anyone at this point.

    Maybe the other twist is Melvin is willing to go with this staff to start the season (if he can’t get the right free agent at the right price) and then if IP concerns come up in July but they’re competitive he could use the payroll flexibility or his by then “more proven” young pitchers to trade for an arm or two.

    • Nicholas Zettel says: November 27, 2012

      Thank you for reading and commenting. I agree with your statements — especially about the 1/2 ceiling / 3 floor comment. For that reason, I would support Greinke or Sanchez under the current labor circumstances.

      The midseason deal is always a potential option, too. Melvin will hopefully have more youngsters developed to a point that makes them worthwhile trading chips (if they aren’t pegged as rotation pitchers).

  3. Clayton Roy says: November 28, 2012

    The A’s continue to break the mold of Major League Baseball. They were the first to get players who produce not just names. Now they say why get veteran pitchers when all you really need is good arms. The Brewers have good arms you don’t need a command pitcher who posts a 4.6 Era and sucks 9 million a year. I would think we would learn this from Suppan, Wolf and Marcum. Yovani is now the Vet surround him with power arms and drive in runs. If we get Hamilton and ride our young pitching we will be a serious threat. I hate being linked to Dumpster and Myers, veterans are developed in the clubhouse not added. Craig Counsell helped the Brewers win how many championships? How about Hoffman? Graffanino? Wolf? Suppan? Marcum? Mench? Kapler? Honestly our worst producing players over the last 5 years have been so called Veterans. So frustrated with Baseball and the old ways.

    • Nicholas Zettel says: November 28, 2012

      I agree to some extent, although I don’t think Marcum should be lumped in with Wolf and Suppan. Marcum pitched two consecutive above average seasons for the Brewers, including a particularly strong 2011 — the Brewers don’t win the Division in 2011 without veterans Marcum, Greinke, and Wolf. So, in that regard, I think that the Brewers can do well to actually pick up a quality pitcher; signing someone like Greinke or Sanchez would help in that regard.

      I’d be interested to know what you’d pay / how many years you’d sign for Hamilton.

      • Clayton Roy says: November 28, 2012

        The thing I don’t know is the actually numbers. I am not privileged enough to have a team of accountants than can break down projections for upcoming players, current players, tv contract income and all other profits. I would like to see Hamilton get 4 years maybe 5 if it has a team option. Braun is our best player and a better player than Hamilton so only because of Major League Tenor would I give Hamilton a slightly larger contract with the given Braun will probably sign another extension for more money if his production continues. If I were to give an unknowledgable estimated contract guess 5yr/92MIL With game played incentives that could get him to 100MIL. Just imagine the corner Outfield production 80+ HR 200+RBI OMG!
        As for us making the playoffs because of Marcum and Wolf, I can bite my tongue and say yes this is true BUT who is to say Lawrie at third and more money allotted to keep Greinke instead of Signing ARAM would not put us in a better position for the future? I think ride the young arms and see where it takes us, we have never done it before, I can show you were riding veterans with fastballs that can’t touch 92 has gotten us. The future of Baseball is all power, power arms and power bats. Get on the coaster now or get left in line.

      • Nicholas Zettel says: November 29, 2012

        A 4-5 year deal on Hamilton frightens me — he is aging, and doesn’t have a great durability records, and that’s before one considers his status with the league when handing out a contract. He must be the riskiest free agent on the market, regardless of talent.

        I think we can’t judge Lawrie’s potential impact because of his position with the organization. It seemed, after the trade, that the Brewers may have simply dumped while they could, given his disagreement with the organization’s policies, as well as his own attitude. Who’s to say Brett Lawrie wouldn’t have been the next Gary Sheffield? There’s no way to know whether he would have even played in Milwaukee, demanded a trade, or forced his way out:

  4. Billy white says: December 1, 2012

    I’m not so sure we need anybody at the onset of the season. We have 7 starting pitchers on the 40 man roster w/ service time. Unless we can bring in a known #1/#2 type guy at a bargain price, I’m inclined to start things off with something like:

    1 Gallardo
    2 Estrada
    3 Fiers
    4 Narveson
    5 Rogers

    With Thornburg and Piralta at AAA ready to fill in if somebody goes down.

    Go stack up the bullpen, leave the offense alone, and see what $20M of spending flexibility can get between March and August if the need arises.

    The wildcard would be if Narveson can eat up innings. If anything, pick up the free agent on your list with the most innings and a sub 5 era. I’m talking 200 innings to save our young arms and unknown bullpen. Who might that be?

    • Nicholas Zettel says: December 2, 2012

      Thanks for reading and commenting! I think there are real issues with Narveson eating innings; given the success rate of pitchers returning from severe should injuries, I’d be inclined to keep him off the Top 5 rotation for opening day. For that reason, I think Peralta is a much better option.

      I think there are a lot of options for players that can eat innings and sit in the middle rotation this year; new non-tenders John Lannan and Jeff Karstens could fill useful roles for the Brewers (and, of course, they might be able to sign on minor league deals in some way, shape, or form).

      On the bargain price issue, I think it’s a shame if the Brewers don’t land one of the marquee arms this year. Since Greinke and Sanchez won’t cost draft picks, this year is a great opportunity to spend some money on a good arm and keep a draft pick.


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